South Africa Roof Collapse 2003

[Grom]

I found this, but could not find more info.
-i guess all is well, since at the end there are some people on stage making their speech...

[CoenCo]

WOW!
Lucky bastards, if that thing had fallen the other way, there would've been many serious injuries!

If you look at t=11sec you'll see that the rooftop itself is about 2 meters high. If you extrapolate that in some earlier image, you can estimate the height of the towers: ca 11+ meter, and NO GUY WIRES!!!
If you look at the trees, there's not even that much wind, but because the sides and back are strapped down, they are pretty huge sails. Even if it is the "wind-let-through"-type!

[Grom]

On other forum I got this link, and I was told that I should not bring this sort of things into public forums.

[CoenCo]

Wow, that is one heck of a report. I'm actually really happy to finally see one of those things, instead of all those cover-ups.
There is however not that much more information than what I concluded after 15 secs of watching a video. No guy wires! They can't even reach a conclusion about whose fault it is: "the instructions were unclear". I'm sorry but even IKEA puts in all their manuals "if you don't understand the manual, call us!"

[Lj_Mouzer]

I have the video of this.
YouTube - Stage Collapse

[rinus bakker]

But when you don't have a manual - do you just start and built whatever you can think off?
And why would you buy a crummy stage-roof like this?
The price comes with the quality -and the safety for this matter.

The company that produced this f*ck-up changed it's name within two weeks
and was back in business "as usual". One of their major customers was (is?) the SA-administration or the ANC (or both? The difference between them is sometimes hard to tell).

And when I did a couple of trainings in SA (Joburg and Durban) I showed this video (among others) from the accident-files in my laptop.
It turned out that of the 60-odd attendees appr. 50-55 didn't even know this video existed.
It almost looked like this was censored = by the SA authorities? Grom suggested something similar.

About 10-15 guys were asking if they could copy it to their USB sticks.
Hope they will learn and show it to more people so they can learn as well.
Saving a couple of hundred of Euro's on internal bracing guy-wires, and an hour or so on work, made one woman end up in a wheel-chair for the rest of her life.
If this had been happening in Europe or the USA that company would not have gotten away with it that easy.
The UK has a very good guidance document on this in "Temporary Demountable Structures".
That official SA report is a lot of talk, but not at clear in reference to the role, responsability and liability of the promotor / producer and health safety / building inspection.
Any kid over 12 could tell that the wire-rope braces were missing.

[rinus bakker]

Have a look at this one:
IOL: 'Stage roof collapsing was not firm's fault'
and this as well:
Aluminium structures - Lumex - Roof structures
And do you really wonder why things like this can happen...?

"A car is a selfpropelling rolling vehicle on four rubber tyres"

[R. den Ridder]

discussie kan hier internationaal verder gevoerd worden, geloof dat men aan de andere kant van het kanaal en de oceaan erg geinteresseerd is in het hoe en waarom:
The LightNetwork

[Grom]

discussie kan hier internationaal verder gevoerd worden, geloof dat men aan de andere kant van het kanaal en de oceaan erg geinteresseerd is in het hoe en waarom:
The LightNetwork

Ja, saj je vse lepo in prav, toda ce mislis pisat v Nizozemscini si se zmotu, prijatelj, saj te ne mislim prenasat da me skenslas na moji temi.

oh, sorry, no one has probably understood this, so I translate mine: All is well and cool, but if you think you can write in Dutch you are wrong my friend, since I will not tolerate non-understanding in my topics.

WRITE IN ENGLISH OR DO NOT POST IN MY TOPICS SINCE I CAN NOT SPEAK DUTCH!

I google translate your post:
further international discussion can be conducted, we believe that on the other side of the canal and the ocean is very interested in the how and why: and link

[moderator]

Dear Grom,

Writing in English is nothing more than a gesture, Dutch is and always will be the native language on this board.
This means you'll have to use the poor capabilities of the google translation service when needed!

No hard feelings,

modje

[Grom]

Dear Moderator,

If you think, really think, that 'Writing in English is nothing more than a gesture' - you are nationalistic pig! No hard feelings.

I am aware that this is Dutch forum, what am I surprised is that some of you attend to be so closed to other.
If I get a written word from you, dear moderator, that I can not demand communication in English, or any language for that matter, so that we can understand each other, I will respect that, and will have to move out of this forum.

So if I am posting in English that is just a way for us to communicate - to understand each other. If anybody has a problem with communicating with me, please, do not communicate. I am not dragging anybody here and saying - write!
But, do not act like I am not here - I started this thread.

I am not disregarding Dutch language in any way, English is not my native language, but it is one that we all mostly speak quite well.



This thread is moving in wrong direction.

I guess this is farewell, thanx for all the fishes.

[moderator]

Don't want the roof to collapse again... please respond to my email.

[rinus bakker]

Begrijp ik dat bijdragen/postings in het Engels niet meer zijn toegelaten?
Dan zou ik het ook wel leuk vinden als de 'Mod's' wat strenger gaan toezien op als dat 'interessant-gepraat' met van die 'pseudo-Engelse' termen.
Soms zie je dat een persoon niet eens weet hoe hij/zij het betreffende woord moet schrijven, laat staan dat ie weet waar het vandaan komt, maar er wel hele verhalen of theoriën aan vast weet te koppelen.
Engels is (zeker in ons land) de 2e taal in ons vak, als het al niet de 1e is....
Is er bezwaar tegen communiceren in het Engels?
Ik vind het eigenlijk een schande dat we als 'Europeanen' niet tenminste twee ander talen naast onze Moedertaal spreken.

[Gast1401081]

a little explenation can be done:

Most of the old boards have the topic starter as moderator, in stead of the moderators as we have here.

grom feld that he was moderator, but, as we know better, he is'nt. He only started this topic...

And sure, what's against Google Translation? Wir können ach im Deuts weiter..

[moderator]

There's no obligation for English contributions!

Starting a topic in English brings no obligation towards other members to respond in English! thats all.

Grom felt he could force members to respond in English, we disagree on that. As already mailed to Grom:
Since this is a dutch board, contributors with an other native language can participate in english, the translation of replies posted in Dutch is not a forum function we support.

Reacties over moderating graag via de mail, zie niet in wat een discussie over engels/nederlands reageren te maken kan hebben met een groundsupport wat in Zuid-Afrika vliegles krijgt.